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Bansko Ski investment Ulen for 2012/13 season

Steve C Author:Steve C posts : 2898   (Master)Date : 06-11-12 17:46

re: Bansko Ski investment Ulen for 2012/13 season

Hahahahaha, you do make me smile... personally 35 years plus involved in skiing, 12 winter seasons spent in the Alps working, UK based ski shop, tour organiser, ski club member, swix service experience and ski tuner... and on and on and on........ and decided i would like to live permanently in the mountains. Considered the Alps, areas i had worked, but wrote it off as with falling tourist numbers, ludicrous pricing, and the 'French' attitude to business and their protectionism... Looked at ...
Hahahahaha, you do make me smile... personally 35 years plus involved in skiing, 12 winter seasons spent in the Alps working, UK based ski shop, tour organiser, ski club member, swix service experience and ski tuner... and on and on and on........ and decided i would like to live permanently in the mountains. Considered the Alps, areas i had worked, but wrote it off as with falling tourist numbers, ludicrous pricing, and the 'French' attitude to business and their protectionism... Looked at the Pyrenees, both the French and Spanish sides, new resorts with opportunities, but still figured with falling numbers, poor snow records... and again French attitudes... Came to Bansko 2002/03 to check it out, great infrastructure in the way of a lift system, well linked pistes, be it limited, and a proper town, not a purpose built eyesore.. initially looked at apartments but considered them overpriced and frankly being oversold in an unsustainable market that was oversupplied.. We have a new house in a small village 12km out of Bansko, rural but comfortable, friendly neighbours, lovely school for our little girl who is very happy... We have no mortgage, nor debt of any kind, some money in the bank, and a business that supports us. Today scootered out to our village, 32 degrees, all so green at the moment though we know it wont last, not a car to be seen, views of both the Pirin and the Rila on our doorstep, tonight in the square in Bansko, the England match, a couple of beers, and temps even after the sun goes down of 25 plus... it could be worse... i could be still in the UK, then i would be desperate...
Bansko's tourist numbers are rising, fact, but in order to maintain this improvements must be made, hopefully in time this will happen... We can thank Mikey for his views, his personal views, though you have to ask yourself if he is so successful why then does he need this constant massaging of his ego to confirm all his decisions were the right ones ??? If he was to look past his insular experience he would know i have not invested in overpriced apartments, i am not stuck here, i choose to be here, and do look forward, to every new day normally... Our life here is better than what i could expect in the UK, the concern and consideration of the local people, traditional values lost in the UK, family... and most important, time....

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Gareth Author:Gareth posts : 434   (Expert)Date : 06-11-12 20:17

re: Bansko Ski investment Ulen for 2012/13 season

You go skiing holidays 8-9 times a season to the alps.

Normal annual leave is 25 days per year and you cannot take them all at once.
Pray tell how are you managing to have so much time off?
Do you have other holidays in the year as well if do how are you having a good standard of living ? You clearly are not working for a company doing as no company could afford to have an employee out of the business for 8-9 weeks a year all within a 12-16 week period.

Mr M also very odd ...
You go skiing holidays 8-9 times a season to the alps.

Normal annual leave is 25 days per year and you cannot take them all at once.
Pray tell how are you managing to have so much time off?
Do you have other holidays in the year as well if do how are you having a good standard of living ? You clearly are not working for a company doing as no company could afford to have an employee out of the business for 8-9 weeks a year all within a 12-16 week period.

Mr M also very odd statement directed at Steve C. How do you know his finances? Also to assume he is debt ridden. Buying in Bulgaria is a little naive. Most likely he bought fr cash (the properties are only the cost of a top end BMW so hardly big bucks).
Personally I wouldn't live out there as I enjoy my life where it is in the UK. I do like long holidays though and many of them.

We missed all skiing this year but are going to San Fransisco Bali and South Africa over Xmas Wink we tend to "always turn left while boarding too Wink" just got an inclin from your post that the age old "I'm considerably richer than yaw" was drenching from your drivel

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Mr M Author:Mr M posts : 206   (Intermediate)Date : 06-12-12 21:55

re: Bansko Ski investment Ulen for 2012/13 season

Sometimes I wonder why d + I even bother to waste my time on this site.
I really do.
I guess when I see sometime down right lies I just get engaged and post to clear the facts which are at the end of the day facts and speak for themselves.
I am thinking now that this forum has become a field for ''professionals'' for people with deep knowledge of the place Smile with a strange attachment to it and
More likely me thinks(don't get offended) with people with unfulfilled dreams which have ...
Sometimes I wonder why d + I even bother to waste my time on this site.
I really do.
I guess when I see sometime down right lies I just get engaged and post to clear the facts which are at the end of the day facts and speak for themselves.
I am thinking now that this forum has become a field for ''professionals'' for people with deep knowledge of the place Smile with a strange attachment to it and
More likely me thinks(don't get offended) with people with unfulfilled dreams which have decided to do the second choice .
I always stated that people like Steve have to be admired.
In the times when Bulgaria is draining its brain power to a level where there will be no one left , it is always good to have souls which decide to go against the main traffic and challenge their senses and meaning with a good try.
So brave Steve Bravo.
The more people like you the better!
Bringing a family though in there as a foreigner ?
In a country with the:
Biggest drug problems, with the educational system which is disintegrating fast,
With Massive brain drain, with massive corruption on all levels ,with masses with no clear vision of a direction, with one of the dirtiest and polutest towns in EU with the highest % of grey sector as far as the taxes is concerned,
With massive irresponsibility on all levels, huge problem with criminality, prostitution, huge numbers of undesirables,
In one sentence: with identity crisis and no vision at all for the future.
I am not quite sure I want to punish myself that much.
To make that lovely place (not mentioning the nature which is not appreciates polluted fast but still trying to survive) a home, needs a hell of bravery and desperation.
Somebody has to live there though.
Taking Child to school in BG - trying to educate it there?
I would think not once but twice before I decide to limit the abilities and choices for good of my off springs.
Bulgarian Educational system is in complete and utter collapse and that is a fact.
Forget the 80s. These days everything is upside down.

Lovely neighbours you say:
Well the old people left with the old values are surviving with sticking together and with kindness the only thing left for them.
that's all.
Brings to mind the thought that I have lovely French neighbours down In the Alps ( the place you have been kicked out for whatever reason) they are absolutely honest,happy, relaxed, and humane.
I would not want to have any other type of neighbours around me.
But this is another matter.
When you trump up, not for the first time though I think, that you have done this and that, and then after all of the doors were closed, you had a last chance and you had to settle for this, I kind of admire this attitude of yours.
And in this chance now you are putting all on the table to make sure you sweeze the Max out of your countrymen and making you believe this is it
Somehow I don't see clear curb of development in the listed above years.

I can understand that
In this precise moment there is nothing on offer better than what you have .
Quite agree with you on that.

Gareth
I believe you do not work for yourself.
I have managed to reach position where I don't have to work.
Now I don't live beyond my means. I am spending what I earn only. Or what it is earning for me and I am not bothered with increasing it any further.
How many days on snow I decide according the snow conditions.
This season apart of the times in the Alps I had visited 3 times (unheard of) BG mountains but that was dictated of a exceptional and record winter which we all know it was a ONE OFF and it is very unlikely to be repeated in our lifetime.

As for skiing because all of my life I have been involved with skiing (started walking on skis, lived in the mountain,witnessed very young massive avalanche but kept going up the mountains touring walking etc , then racing (the natural thing for the local boy) then studying in UNI and when I got my degree I decided to leave.)
That was pre-fall of Commies Iron Curtain.
Then few years later in the 90s got into developing in BG as a side hobby, bought massively, developed well, then realised it is unsustainable and sold almost all and gone away in time for and before the crash .
Now again I am pouring dosh into the capital only where. I think there is the only place worth doing business in BG.
Who knows, when my current projects are finished, I will probably again sell everything and pack the jobs I have created.
I am not bothered by sentiments.
I know very well that there are better places (for me) to settle and for my family to study live and thrive.

I go 8-9 times skiing that's true.
I work for myself (don't have to work really) free-lancing here and there for fun now and to keep occupied.
I can stay all winter if I want to on snow and ski every single day.
But not everyday is a good day to ski and probably I will get bored, so instead I buy seasonal lift pass for combination of proper ski resorts, I travel to and from light avoiding the peak times crowds ,but more or less weekly, cos I have a place where I keep all of my stuff for the season.
I go as well once or twice to BG but usually for 2-3 days at a time to ski with relatives and the few friends still stuck in the country .
I like the out-of-it-all in the BG summer where I visit usually twice for a good trek and a climb.
That's why I haven't turn my back completely on BG
- well I am Bulgarian after all and still have interests in the capital developing something. (again for ' fun' and to keep occupied or actually to make sure my kids learn the values correctly)
I don't go to pubs and bars, I I don't do beach or go just for the sea swim (not in BG anymore because the beaches on the Black sea are the least desirable,I don't have mistress,don't need it Smile, I will never ever buy a brand new car because it is such a bad deal in any way you look at it.
Appart from my hobbies I only buy things I NEED rather that WANT .
I don't want to support somebody else's life style with My stupid and unnecessary purchases.

I support my family- First and foremost and make sure they are happy with what they have, want and can choose for themselves what they want to do with their lives and where they want go settle when old enough.

They will have a good choice but it is down to their own decision which route they take.

Too long ....
All different situations I know, but this is my motto in life and for the people around me.
Let's hope we all reach our goals!

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Pamporovo Pete Author:Pamporovo Pete posts : 14180   (Master)Date : 06-12-12 23:39

re: Bansko Ski investment Ulen for 2012/13 season

I have to say I am finding myself agreeing with Mr. M more and more lately.

Maybe some of his points are overstated, but his first hand knowledge and experiences are often not to far off the mark.

I wasn't going to get drawn into this thread, but feel the need to - so here are my views.

My first introduction to Bulgaria was in 1993 and it was a very different country than it is today. When you have very little from day 1 of your life you tend to live to that level and often quite ...
I have to say I am finding myself agreeing with Mr. M more and more lately.

Maybe some of his points are overstated, but his first hand knowledge and experiences are often not to far off the mark.

I wasn't going to get drawn into this thread, but feel the need to - so here are my views.

My first introduction to Bulgaria was in 1993 and it was a very different country than it is today. When you have very little from day 1 of your life you tend to live to that level and often quite peacefully and happily. Then along came us Western Europeans with our pockets bulging with Levs, and our comments on how everything was so cheap. Bulgarians, (rightly or wrongly) were often seen as poor, uneducated, simple people with warm hearts, friendly welcomes, and they embraced us to a level that often stole our hearts away.

But now the new generation, (with every right,) want more out of their lives and since the migration laws have been relaxed from joining the EEC they are seeking pastures new to seek their fortunes. Those who remain are no longer content to work the fields for pence for the rest of their lives and good on them for wanting to better themselves. But along with these desires corruption has flourished.

Was Bulgaria ready for acceptance into the EEC? In my opinion no. Corruption is still King in Bulgaria, but on a much wider scale today than it was years ago.

Unemployment has got worse - and prices have risen to a hight that the everyday people of Bulgaria are worse off now than they ever were 20 years ago.

Will it improve? - hopefully yes.
Am I convinced it will? - sadly no.

I hate talking Bulgaria down as you all know how much I love the place. But in these modern times for Bulgaria it is in dire need of strong govenment leadership, international support and guidance, positive futures for it's young, jobs for the unemployed, quality schools for it's children, and above all a Police force who actually know the difference between right and wrong.

Then, and only then can Bulgaria begin to rise to the levels is so richly deserves.

Pete

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Gareth Author:Gareth posts : 434   (Expert)Date : 06-14-12 00:33

re: Bansko Ski investment Ulen for 2012/13 season

Pete

Given the strife in the Euro area currently trust me this issue will still exist in 15 years plus time. The difference being thankfully Bulgaria have not adopted the Euro they have the Lev. They have a debt of 25% to GDP. With the euro issue there are no jobs for this brain drain to continue why leave for nothing.

Corruption needs sorting out once and for all - that said Ireland is rife so a modern 1st world country v a second world country hmm don't hold your breath.

There ...
Pete

Given the strife in the Euro area currently trust me this issue will still exist in 15 years plus time. The difference being thankfully Bulgaria have not adopted the Euro they have the Lev. They have a debt of 25% to GDP. With the euro issue there are no jobs for this brain drain to continue why leave for nothing.

Corruption needs sorting out once and for all - that said Ireland is rife so a modern 1st world country v a second world country hmm don't hold your breath.

There are no prostitutes in Bansko only Sofia

Mr M has a point so do you so does Steve C. Sadly none of those views answers the original post.
We can argue the toss day and night fact is people make a decision be it wrong or right noone knows but that individual.

So any update on what's happening up the mountain? If it is zero work this summer then let's post that up but if it is something else let's keep it fresh and update. Steve C Pete and Mr M and myself have a vested interest in more tourism in Bulgaria so everyone is a winner.

All friends again Wink.

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Pamporovo Pete Author:Pamporovo Pete posts : 14180   (Master)Date : 06-14-12 12:05

re: Bansko Ski investment Ulen for 2012/13 season

Gareth,
How do you come to the conclusion that I have a 'vested interest' in more tourism in Bulgaria?

I can assure you that I have no vested interest in Bulgaria whatsoever. Not financially, not property, and I certainly get no income from moderating this website.

My only interest in Bulgaria is my personl pleasure in going there. That's it!

PP
Steve C Author:Steve C posts : 2898   (Master)Date : 06-14-12 13:36

re: Bansko Ski investment Ulen for 2012/13 season

In a country with the:
'Biggest drug problems, with the educational system which is disintegrating fast,
With Massive brain drain, with massive corruption on all levels ,with masses with no clear vision of a direction, with one of the dirtiest and polutest towns in EU with the highest % of grey sector as far as the taxes is concerned,
With massive irresponsibility on all levels, huge problem with criminality, prostitution, huge numbers of undesirables,'

The UK surely ???
'Somebody has ...
In a country with the:
'Biggest drug problems, with the educational system which is disintegrating fast,
With Massive brain drain, with massive corruption on all levels ,with masses with no clear vision of a direction, with one of the dirtiest and polutest towns in EU with the highest % of grey sector as far as the taxes is concerned,
With massive irresponsibility on all levels, huge problem with criminality, prostitution, huge numbers of undesirables,'

The UK surely ???
'Somebody has to live there though.'

Our little girl was actually born in Sofia so in effect is Bulgarian.. and its through choice we are here, we could leave tomorrow, but to where ?? it definitely would not be the Alps where i'm supposably been thrown out of.. ?
I don't think Mikey actually reads what i write ?, or perhaps does not understand ? and frankly i don't really care, his views are irrelevant, we are happy and hopefully will continue to be..

And Garath, no planned expansion nor lifts that i'm aware of, other than those mentioned Very Happy

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Gareth Author:Gareth posts : 434   (Expert)Date : 06-14-12 23:27

re: Bansko Ski investment Ulen for 2012/13 season

Hi Pete.
Sorry I thought you did ski lessons or similar in Pamporovo. Not sure why I thought that but sorry for the error on my part.
Snow White Author:Snow White posts : 1491   (Master)Date : 06-15-12 00:21

re: Bansko Ski investment Ulen for 2012/13 season

That's a different Pete but he is also in Pamporovo. Both Pete's are lovely. Confusing I know!
Mr M Author:Mr M posts : 206   (Intermediate)Date : 06-15-12 21:51

re: Bansko Ski investment Ulen for 2012/13 season

Steve I know the air is kind of Fresh around Bansko but supress the use of Oxygen just a little.
HY nothing personal mate.you try to survive that's fine.enjoy it! .
As for the above quote Country with the following...Biggest drug problems, with the educational system which is disintegrating fast and it is becoming a joke,With Massive. brain drain, with massive corruption.....
I am afraid is .........Bulgaria unless you count your brain as enough to couteract the thousands of Teachers ...
Steve I know the air is kind of Fresh around Bansko but supress the use of Oxygen just a little.
HY nothing personal mate.you try to survive that's fine.enjoy it! .
As for the above quote Country with the following...Biggest drug problems, with the educational system which is disintegrating fast and it is becoming a joke,With Massive. brain drain, with massive corruption.....
I am afraid is .........Bulgaria unless you count your brain as enough to couteract the thousands of Teachers,doctors,workers,science force,mathematicians and all sort of proffecional people,young and old, leaving BG shores because they think there is nothing for them in a place for with good nature(for now) but nothing else.
There will be some kind of change but not soon and I am not prepared to waste my life on burdening my kids in a very poor educational system, cheap values,huge drug problem amongst the youngsters.
All that shout at my ears that I must be stupid to even think to continue doing something there.
Well I am resilient type but not for long.Once my last project is finished I am out.
I will still keep on visiting it of course but as a memory lane and to juggle my memories from my youth the place where I grew up got the education got the start but decided to apply what I can do elsewhere

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