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Off Piste/Back Country advice or guide Bansko

Mattsville Author: posts : 13   (Beginner)Date : 11-06-09 01:58

Off Piste/Back Country advice or guide Bansko

Hey everyone,
I've been snowboarding in Bansko quite a few times now, and I've started trying to find good off piste routes and fresh powder.
However - I'm not all that experienced and have so far not adventured beyond the tree filled areas between the marked pistes. I've heard that there is some great back country boarding to be had and that you can even head off down into the steep valley that's on your right as you head up the highest chair to Todorka peak.
I don't think it's a good ...
Hey everyone,
I've been snowboarding in Bansko quite a few times now, and I've started trying to find good off piste routes and fresh powder.
However - I'm not all that experienced and have so far not adventured beyond the tree filled areas between the marked pistes. I've heard that there is some great back country boarding to be had and that you can even head off down into the steep valley that's on your right as you head up the highest chair to Todorka peak.
I don't think it's a good idea to try doing this on my own - so does anybody know any guides that do that sort of thing?
Any advice would be great thanks. Also if anyone wants to share the routes they've taken and good/bad points I'd be really interested.
Thanks guys,
Matt

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Steve C Author:Steve C posts : 2898   (Master)Date : 11-06-09 11:45

re: Off Piste/Back Country advice or guide Bansko

The valley down into Bunderitsa to the base of the Vihren is accessable either by the gulleys you can see from the chair (at your own risk, a guy was killed there last season) or by climbing from the top station and either traversing around Todorka or going over the ridge at the top, and then drop down the back coming around into the valley...
You will get a guide with little difficulty, as most local skiers considering themselves capable, but beware, few have good training in predicting ...
The valley down into Bunderitsa to the base of the Vihren is accessable either by the gulleys you can see from the chair (at your own risk, a guy was killed there last season) or by climbing from the top station and either traversing around Todorka or going over the ridge at the top, and then drop down the back coming around into the valley...
You will get a guide with little difficulty, as most local skiers considering themselves capable, but beware, few have good training in predicting snow conditions (note, guy killed was ex instructor) so i would suggest `Method' or similar, more costly but could save your life...
I would share the route down to Damenitsa, but you wouldn't want to, i definately did not want to Mad

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Mat Author:Mat posts : 1182   (Master)Date : 11-06-09 11:48

re: Off Piste/Back Country advice or guide Bansko

http://www.freemountains.com/en/index.htm

These are the ONLY people sufficiently experienced to take you into the backcountry (although there are plenty of others who reckon they are). Look up James Hughes at the Avalon hotel in Bansko and he'll point you in the right direction. Or see what you can find on the talkbansko.com forum which will also have some discussion on the issue.

Remember we lose people every year to avalanches and there are a lot of dead ends/cliffs and 5 hour walk ...
http://www.freemountains.com/en/index.htm

These are the ONLY people sufficiently experienced to take you into the backcountry (although there are plenty of others who reckon they are). Look up James Hughes at the Avalon hotel in Bansko and he'll point you in the right direction. Or see what you can find on the talkbansko.com forum which will also have some discussion on the issue.

Remember we lose people every year to avalanches and there are a lot of dead ends/cliffs and 5 hour walk outs - but the off piste is the true secret of Bansko

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Mattsville Author:Mattsville posts : 149   (Intermediate)Date : 11-06-09 11:52

re: Off Piste/Back Country advice or guide Bansko

Hmm.
Thanks very much for that Steve. I knew that a guy was killed last year (which has made me more cautious) however I had no idea he was an ex-instrucor.
I wonder if this might be a bit beyond me for this season? Do you have to be a real expert to head down into that valley, even if I hire a guide?
Matt
Steve C Author:Steve C posts : 2898   (Master)Date : 11-06-09 12:12

re: Off Piste/Back Country advice or guide Bansko

What Mat is saying is absolutely right, that is why i was advising to contact an established school, Method have suitably qualified guides... The terrain at the back of Todorka actually is not that bad dependant on conditions, but i would suggest avoiding the gulleys until you have by your own admission a little more experience.
Can also agree with Mat on the dead end/5 hour walk out situations...from experience unfortunately...
It is still though fantastic, when the conditions are good, ...
What Mat is saying is absolutely right, that is why i was advising to contact an established school, Method have suitably qualified guides... The terrain at the back of Todorka actually is not that bad dependant on conditions, but i would suggest avoiding the gulleys until you have by your own admission a little more experience.
Can also agree with Mat on the dead end/5 hour walk out situations...from experience unfortunately...
It is still though fantastic, when the conditions are good, it is very good, if you get my meaning Razz

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Mat Author:Mat posts : 1182   (Master)Date : 11-06-09 12:17

re: Off Piste/Back Country advice or guide Bansko

A good guide will ski/ride with you for a while to assess your skill level and then take you to a place that won't kill you, so whilst it may be a bit squeaky bum don't let it put you off. Wait for the right snow, take the right kit + a guide and you'll have a blast. If the price is a bit steep, find an equal level colleague and share the costs. A guide can handle two clients easy enough.

PS. Remember there is no helicopter rescue in Bansko Very Happy
DAve Canski Author: posts : 13   (Beginner)Date : 11-06-09 12:57

re: Off Piste/Back Country advice or guide Bansko

A 5 hour walk out !!!! cmon Steve it was only 4 and a half. It was a nice day for a stroll though !! I never realised how much empty space there was in the world.
Steve C Author:Steve C posts : 2898   (Master)Date : 11-06-09 14:29

re: Off Piste/Back Country advice or guide Bansko

Dave, i never realised how much empty space there is between our ears Mad
fraser Author: posts : 13   (Beginner)Date : 11-06-09 17:33

re: Off Piste/Back Country advice or guide Bansko

doesnt come as a big surprise here!! Razz Razz Booze after all its normal to follow the road not take to the trees!!!
DAve Canski Author: posts : 13   (Beginner)Date : 11-06-09 18:42

re: Off Piste/Back Country advice or guide Bansko

Dead right Fraser I had forgotton about that. Why the hell did I follow him after that episode ?