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Author : carole (---.range86-151.btcentralplus.com)
posts : 483
Date : 04-26-08 15:16
BGN 140 M to Be Invested in Luxury Ski Resort in Bulgaria's Panichishte
The Bulgarian company Rila Sport is going to invest BGN 140 M in the construction of a five-star ski resort close to the village of Panichishte in the Rila Mountain.
The news was announced Tuesday by Slaveyko Staykov, the Executive Director of Rila Sport, lev.bg reported. Staykov's firm was assigned the realization of the project by the administration of the Sapareva Banya Municipality. The future ski resort is expected to be completed by 2016.
The total investments in the new resort might reach up to BGN 900 M. The project envisages the creation of about 100 km of ski tracks, plus snowboard parks and ski-running paths.
Staykov emphasized that the hotels would have no more than 10 000 beds, and that they would not be located on the territory of the Rila Mountain Natural Park.
"We aim to attract upper-class tourists; the resort will be managed by leading firms with appropriate experience", Staykov said.
The investors expect that the new resort would become one of Europe's top ten tourist destinations. About 10 000 workers will be hired for the construction, and once completed, the new complex is expected to employ permanently some 2 000 people.
The institutional procedures for the environmental assessment of the planned resort are currently under way.
The plans for the construction of a ski lift and a resort in the Rila Mountain, and especially close to the Seven Rila Lakes area, and the reports about the potential environmental destruction have triggered violent protests around Bulgaria by leading environmentalist and other NGOs, and by regular citizens.
These have been met with counter-rallies by the local people from the Sapareva Banya Municipality, who hope to profit from the development of their region, mainly because many of them own lands there.
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Author : mikey (---.pool1.Enfield-GLN3000-BAS0001.orange)
posts : 367
Date : 04-26-08 22:32
Estate agent news that is ?!
The plans for building this resort have been declared just the that same week illegal as well as the environmental issues related to it.
large % of the territory is actually in a preservation zone and the young generation is getting very active with these issues and are constantly sniffing taking fotos and voicing the concerns about the destruction of the BG nature so hold your breath for this one.
again -ESTATE AGENT LEADS!!
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Author : Neil C (---.dslaccess.co.uk)
posts : 29
Date : 04-26-08 22:39
Next they will be saying that it will be joined up to Borovets 
Personally I cant wait for the motorway from Borovets to Sofia Not for the road, but it will be the 8th wonder of the world. A sure engineering miracle 
I cant believe some people actually earn money writing such drivel
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Author : mikey (---.pool1.Enfield-GLN3000-BAS0001.orange)
posts : 367
Date : 04-27-08 03:46
YES
Borovets,Beli Iskar, Samokov,Bansko,Razlog,Dobrinishte, Semkovo, Belmeken, Pamporovo,Smolian, Predela,Stoikite(this one will have plenty of suporters) Chepelare,Perelik, Sliven(for cliff jumps off), Persenk, Momchilovci, Maliovitsa, Govedarci,Panichishte,Besbog, 7 lakes,
why not including and:
Berkovitsa, Ribaritsa,Beklemeto,Pleven Hut,
even Varna(yes Varna on the beach-read few months ago they are thinking of building a ski resort on the beach) etc
(Oops forgot Aleko,Kopitoto,Zlatni mostove,Koniarnika) The secret plan is this heard this from very reliable source)
---They will all join together to form one huge monster of a resort and covering the whole of BG territory with unlimited number of ski runs all FOC and endless fun and non stop snow of course.
And the sad truth is:
All for the purpose of shifting some m2 brick and mortar to blind and taken for a ride people.
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Author : fraser (---.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com)
posts : 217
Date : 04-28-08 13:57
mikey you always make my day  you dont work for the Daily Mail do you??
dont know about you but i had a brilliant winter skiing, sheer bliss, and im sorry but you cant deny the progress with the new gondola station in Boro, have you seen it recently, spect it was all a figment of my imagination 
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Author : Steve (86.43.91.---)
posts : 1931
Date : 04-28-08 16:04
i was in boro and didnt see any progress with any gondola station
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Author : Borogirl (---.range86-134.btcentralplus.com)
posts : 1420
Date : 04-28-08 17:54
When were you there, Steve  They have been laying drains etc in the last 3 weeks. I couldn't believe it either, so someone sent me photos. Lots of big diggers and lorries. Hope it continues  
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Author : mikey (---.pool1.unallocated-107-0.orangehomedsl)
posts : 367
Date : 04-29-08 03:06
so whats all this to do with Panichishte, Fraser ?
'Brilliant' skiing will always be there BUT now and then, for couple of hours here and there and of course it depends what brilliant actually is.
I would say the winter BG season was with good snow cover (very unusual to stay more or less the whole of the 3 months)but lets not forget at the same time and the constant problems with closing for high winds the growing even further massive queues,the ridiculous high pricing for services in there (I hope you will agree with me on that and hope you squizzed
the maximum out of THE most expensive seasonal lift pass in the world-if not the most, somewhere in the top 3)
generally BG season was not a season to remember.Loads of problems even when some are trying to do a cover up.
at the same time for your information and I had brill ski season too (actually still continuing until end of May with short trips)with more than 60 days so far on skis .
sadly(?) only 10ish of those on BG snow so I am more than thrilled.
As for you if you have to be in Boro for the season you havent got a choice and you better make the best of it.
On the other hand -if you had the choice -you were going to be signing another song I am afraid.
Liked the posting from Mat somewhere last week i think.
Lets go back on the building in unappealing Samokov town.
Digging there for something is one thing, making it actually working is another.
Watch when they start bilding only flats on the same site to cash in on the hope that somehow people will flood in and forget about the gondola.
as for the actual opening of this gondola it will not enlarge the ski area because the purpose will be to move up souls from Samokov and with it to shift properties of course.
Just to refresh the data on this project:
--Samokov town as you know very well is 900m above the sea level so as Bansko on the base level the snow will be non existent doesnt matter what and gondolas starting at that level are not viable for the future anyway.
Runs are not going to get longer as well.
You better count on good progress on the quadchair on top for now but this is a small drop again because when there is a wind there wont be anything going up to take you there so the problem with overcrowding is very much still there and it will get worst.
Do you need more of that? I guess not at this moment.
I bed you are having the muddy site with few machinery in question as your main estate agent 'must-visit-atraction' in a hope somebody somehow will be hooked.
I believe in you for doing your job properly in Boro.Counting on you
Nice one
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Author : fraser (---.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com)
posts : 217
Date : 04-29-08 11:25
ok put you money where your mouth is.....you dont believe its happening/going to happen, i disagree, so how about putting up or shutting up, we'll select a neutral party from here to hold the money, say 100 quid, and ill bet you that there is a building on that site by next year, and a building for the gondola not a hotel/apartment block, and you seem to have missed the point, the gondolas to get people to the top, not to ski down to, and thats why its going up the valley, to avoid the winds....so come on then...
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Author : fraser (---.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com)
posts : 217
Date : 04-29-08 11:28
on other thing mikey, everytime ive seen you post on here its been a uk isp,so how come youve managed the equivalent of 10 whole weeks on snow this year, surely not another fabrication
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Author : Daniel Snell (---.116.gr5.adsl.brightview.com)
posts : 4884
Date : 04-29-08 14:02
Come on Mikey surely you are going to take Fraser up on this?
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Author : Mr Jeffrey (---.range86-166.btcentralplus.com)
posts : 17
Date : 04-29-08 20:22
I think you are missing Mikeys point. I dont think he is suggesting that anyone will ski to the 'new' gondola.
I also think that he is saying that there may well be a building on that site, he just suggests that it will be accomodation as well.
I think he makes a good point in that any new gondola is simply going to carry more people to an already overcrowded mountain. And that the aim behind the project is not necessarily to expand ski infrastructure but to expand the sale of apartments.
I know you think he is over negative but his points are valid and often very sensible. It is only fair to prosepctive tourists and buyers of property that Mikey be given the opportunity to express his well founded concerns. He appears to have no reason to voice his opinions other than concern that people have an understanding of potential pitfalls, unlike some people on this site whose prime concern is self promotion.
So in fairness I think you should modify the bet to be that there will be a gondola only on that site as you both agree there will be a 'building'.
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Author : mikey (---.pool1.Enfield-GLN3000-BAS0001.orangeh)
posts : 367
Date : 04-30-08 19:29
OK fraser here we go I like these empty challenges:
Dec all together 14 days on snow in various dates first France then Bulgaria ,Bulgaria again Switzerland.
Into Jan my 100% estate agent friend (most of the trips are for 2-3 days not a package cheap deals-thats what i do --skiing is in my blood Fraser I was probably born on skis-get it!)
Beginning with Switzerland again, BG for 5 days and then again for 3 days and France- 6days,
feb --18days France,G and CH, again Fra,
do you want me to continue further dear MR.Boro Fraser.
Lets do it :
March was abit more quite 3 days in F then went for 5 days in BG to see the naked run and finished it off in France again for a week.oops before that weekend in France.
April France 6 days plus weekend in CH and F again.
I hate doing this!
OK calculating the days actually you are RIGHT.
I have made a mistake .
---have done more that 10weeks in total from start of Dec until now and it is not ending I am afraid.About to leave again to catch up on spring skiing in the Alps which are under very very thick snow cover at the moment(sorry Fraser about lifts in BG closed now for a long time but you can always walk up to the top and do abit of skiing but Please start very early morning .
Dont forget that I have almost daily conference calls with Bulgaria so I am up to the minute up to date with absolutely everything in Bulgaria-not only the surface tourist info but a bit deeper.
As for the bulding of your 'blood line'-The new gondola what is it going to achieve ? Tell me honestly! From 900m to the top after 3-4 years with at least 300% more beds and souls in the area .Where are you going to place them and how crowded do you want them to be.
You know what, I guarrantee you that by then you will be long gone to better places(not blaming you of course) and with better promises for financial gains then the present ones.
The hope of this gondola is only that this will generate a spin in the selling of the new flats which are spinging and about to grow like mushrooms in the area.
Fraser
The clever ones though are already moving on to better locations
HERE is just another example of the prices reached the very top even for the future:
From today news:
Bulgarian Realty Prices Reach Their Ceiling
Unreasonable prices put investors to flight; analysts predict a soon decrease
Bulgaria is breathing down the neck of the world's fastest growing economy - the Chinese - in terms of real property prices. Last year alone housing prices in this country surged by 34.6 percent ranking it second behind the leader, Shanghai city and province, where the rise rate is 35.4 percent, according to a Global Property Guide analysis. Slovakia (32.46 percent), Singapore (31.18 percent) and Hong Kong (24.95 percent) come next to make the top five complete. Following a mortgage crisis, the US is at bottom of the chart. Latvia, the leader with its 69-percent growth in 2006, scored a 1.7-percent fall in 2007. Exactly the same fate awaits the Bulgarian realty market, analysts predict. According to them, the want for fresh cash and the mounting costs of sites for construction are about to make a number of projects unprofitable, that is why investors who used to buy apartments to gain from rents are now withdrawing from the market.
One more thing
I hope that your venture is a good one in BG and at end of season you can draw the line and say: profits were good -to brilliant and topped with many ski days.
I know you always are trying some other ways to advertise and self promote but that does not mean everybody has to agree with you
If anything I have probably most to gain from positive feedbacks everywhere and all the time about Bulgaria (still have numerous rental beds and seats in restaurants to fill around the country but you see I have taken different stand and I believe it is better on a long term to be honest about the conditions.
Nazdrave Frazer and Co although I dont drink.
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Author : mikey (---.pool1.Enfield-GLN3000-BAS0001.orangeh)
posts : 367
Date : 04-30-08 19:43
Admin Daniel Snell
...And that was my challenge above but sorry I have never ever placed a bed on anything in my life 'cos I am not that poor and it is not fare for me to receive small amounts this way so I will leave Frazer and Co 'the-hard-pusher-estate-agent' without agreeing the bed. 
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Author : fraser (---.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com)
posts : 217
Date : 05-01-08 11:02
thought so all mouth and trousers !!!!!! and now im a 'hard pusher estate agent' oh well better tell the wife ive changed jobs
ps Mikey cant be bothered with you any more
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Author : collsie (---.bb.sky.com)
posts : 13
Date : 05-01-08 12:19
Mikey, any danger that you could learn to spell or type (or both) because your threads make little or no sense?
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Author : arron (---.redstone-isp.net)
posts : 2121
Date : 05-01-08 13:18
Wait for it!
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Author : Daniel Snell (---.126.gr5.adsl.brightview.com)
posts : 4884
Date : 05-01-08 13:55
Any minute now Arron
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Author : Andie (---.ukonline.co.uk)
posts : 820
Date : 05-01-08 15:26
I think that if any of us could communicate in Bulgarian half as good as Mike y does in English we would be doing very well
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Author : ski1 (---.wfd102.dsl.pol.co.uk)
posts : 7
Date : 05-02-08 13:37
hi mikey
i think it would really help if you could explain what you job is and how you are involved with BG. it is difficult to take your comments seriously as they are hughly negative without offering any constructive solutions. would you be so kind as to explain your background so that so that we can understand how you make these assessments
thanks in advance
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Author : Mr Jeffrey (---.range81-157.btcentralplus.com)
posts : 17
Date : 05-02-08 16:51
Well said Andie, Collsie, why not write to him in Bulgarian?
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Author : Andie (---.ukonline.co.uk)
posts : 820
Date : 05-02-08 18:14
From what I have read in his posts this is how I would describe Mike y:
Bulgarian (almost definitely) with excellent understanding of the current affairs and economics of not only his country with in-depth knowledge of developments past, present and future – EU, investment, property and leisure industry. Statistician, with good connections. Computer literate.
Appears to be relatively affluent - possibly has own business/company, familiar with remote conferencing. Ardent born-to-it skier - can afford to ski anywhere he wants and almost at any time.
Tee-total, possibly uses a mobile broadband dongle (to keep in touch as frequently travels). Reclusive - does not like anyone to be able to contact him unless he wishes and has a sense of humour (uses a made up “tongue-in-cheek” email address). Not afraid to put his money where his mouth is (but not literally). Direct and forthright, likes to be seen as being belligerent, arrogant and enjoys being challenged. Family man? Sons
I may possibly be well off the mark and guess that Ski1 will never get an answer to his post anyway ....
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