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Bansko Snow Cannons, Am I missing something?
Author:Steve C
posts : 2898 (Master)Date : 01-07-11 10:14re: Bansko Snow Cannons, Am I missing something?
Right then, this is a bone of contention as we always feel the operator could do more...
The top of the mountain is not covered by snow cannons, or not as much as the lower slopes... The top is reliant on natural snow, and as the snowfall has been below average, and the wind on the top has the effect of blowing off what snow there is, it has been difficult to prepare... There is also the consideration that the new 4 man lift is not going to be commissioned till January 16th (late due to ...
The top of the mountain is not covered by snow cannons, or not as much as the lower slopes... The top is reliant on natural snow, and as the snowfall has been below average, and the wind on the top has the effect of blowing off what snow there is, it has been difficult to prepare... There is also the consideration that the new 4 man lift is not going to be commissioned till January 16th (late due to ...
Right then, this is a bone of contention as we always feel the operator could do more...
The top of the mountain is not covered by snow cannons, or not as much as the lower slopes... The top is reliant on natural snow, and as the snowfall has been below average, and the wind on the top has the effect of blowing off what snow there is, it has been difficult to prepare... There is also the consideration that the new 4 man lift is not going to be commissioned till January 16th (late due to court injunction bought by tree huggers)...
Take it from me (and im not a fan of Ulen) that if there was enough snow on top it would be open. We are hopeful that it will open in the next week, maybe to coincide with the new lift...
With regards to numbers and this idea that there has not been enough people to warrant opening all the mountain, you obviously were not here Christmas and New Year...
In Ulen's defense (am i really doing this
) their approach to PR has softened slightly, now actually advertising their intentions for expansion and upgrades, and this includes the installation of a 2nd gondola (possibly to Shilligarnika) and the upgrade and re-opening of Cherna Molgli (Akidemika)... The problems are with the National park and the encroachment of the skiing area, limited to 3.3%, but this is being proposed to be increased to 12.5%, as with other resorts within park boundaries.
And a final point, this idea that the resort is wholly committed to entertaining the World Cup to the detriment of paying skiers, lets just say that without it we would not be seeing the improvements that we have, and the benefits to paying skiers. Lets just draw a parallel between Boro and Pamps ?? and the level of improvements in those two resorts...
The top of the mountain is not covered by snow cannons, or not as much as the lower slopes... The top is reliant on natural snow, and as the snowfall has been below average, and the wind on the top has the effect of blowing off what snow there is, it has been difficult to prepare... There is also the consideration that the new 4 man lift is not going to be commissioned till January 16th (late due to court injunction bought by tree huggers)...
Take it from me (and im not a fan of Ulen) that if there was enough snow on top it would be open. We are hopeful that it will open in the next week, maybe to coincide with the new lift...
With regards to numbers and this idea that there has not been enough people to warrant opening all the mountain, you obviously were not here Christmas and New Year...
In Ulen's defense (am i really doing this
) their approach to PR has softened slightly, now actually advertising their intentions for expansion and upgrades, and this includes the installation of a 2nd gondola (possibly to Shilligarnika) and the upgrade and re-opening of Cherna Molgli (Akidemika)... The problems are with the National park and the encroachment of the skiing area, limited to 3.3%, but this is being proposed to be increased to 12.5%, as with other resorts within park boundaries.And a final point, this idea that the resort is wholly committed to entertaining the World Cup to the detriment of paying skiers, lets just say that without it we would not be seeing the improvements that we have, and the benefits to paying skiers. Lets just draw a parallel between Boro and Pamps ?? and the level of improvements in those two resorts...
re: Bansko Snow Cannons, Am I missing something?
I still think that there are going to be a lot of really annoyed british holiday makers in Bansko in half term.The busiest week you'll have and parts of teh mountain unusable and even more punters there than a normal half term because of teh world cup event.
I would be a tour rep there that week for all teh tea in china
re: Bansko Snow Cannons, Am I missing something?
Good report Steve C.I must admit I am getting a bit concerned with the lack of snow and the fact that there are only a few runs open.
We are coming out on the 17th of Jan, we keeping everything crossed that there will be a decent dump of snow by then but, it;s looking doubtful.
By the way I've been registered on this site since 2006 but have had to re register as it wouldn't recognise my email address.
Regards
Baldeagle
re: Bansko Snow Cannons, Am I missing something?
Were going out 19/2 - 27/2 cannot wait.
Sure we knew about half term (teacher wife so no option of when we can go) likewise the World Cup Mens.
However we couldnt go any other time as Easter is late april this year and the ski season is over so its Half term or not at all.
Going to enjoy it whatever, on the Sat 26/2 may actually just get the lift up and watch the downhill from the base gondela.
Im confused with the different names as Ive no map of the piste with names on it. ...
Sure we knew about half term (teacher wife so no option of when we can go) likewise the World Cup Mens.
However we couldnt go any other time as Easter is late april this year and the ski season is over so its Half term or not at all.
Going to enjoy it whatever, on the Sat 26/2 may actually just get the lift up and watch the downhill from the base gondela.
Im confused with the different names as Ive no map of the piste with names on it. ...
Were going out 19/2 - 27/2 cannot wait.
Sure we knew about half term (teacher wife so no option of when we can go) likewise the World Cup Mens.
However we couldnt go any other time as Easter is late april this year and the ski season is over so its Half term or not at all.
Going to enjoy it whatever, on the Sat 26/2 may actually just get the lift up and watch the downhill from the base gondela.
Im confused with the different names as Ive no map of the piste with names on it. However can someone clear up where the desired 2nd gondela would end (up the mountain)?
Also the increasing of the Ski Area from 3.3% to 12% - where would any of this happen? Im guessing te only place would be the mountain to the right which hasnt been used for years for some reason.
Sure we knew about half term (teacher wife so no option of when we can go) likewise the World Cup Mens.
However we couldnt go any other time as Easter is late april this year and the ski season is over so its Half term or not at all.
Going to enjoy it whatever, on the Sat 26/2 may actually just get the lift up and watch the downhill from the base gondela.
Im confused with the different names as Ive no map of the piste with names on it. However can someone clear up where the desired 2nd gondela would end (up the mountain)?
Also the increasing of the Ski Area from 3.3% to 12% - where would any of this happen? Im guessing te only place would be the mountain to the right which hasnt been used for years for some reason.
re: Bansko Snow Cannons, Am I missing something?
This happens every season, so lets just put the facts...
The FIS World Cup event (s) is a combined slalom and Giant slalom for men run over two days. This is a premier event and will attract coverage from all over the world. The likely pistes to be effected will be the righthand red (red 2) from the top of Todorka (though unlikely to effect all of it) red 4 beside Tomba, and Tomba itself (black 9)...
Obviously because of the nature of the event, and the supporters it will attract from many ...
The FIS World Cup event (s) is a combined slalom and Giant slalom for men run over two days. This is a premier event and will attract coverage from all over the world. The likely pistes to be effected will be the righthand red (red 2) from the top of Todorka (though unlikely to effect all of it) red 4 beside Tomba, and Tomba itself (black 9)...
Obviously because of the nature of the event, and the supporters it will attract from many ...
This happens every season, so lets just put the facts...
The FIS World Cup event (s) is a combined slalom and Giant slalom for men run over two days. This is a premier event and will attract coverage from all over the world. The likely pistes to be effected will be the righthand red (red 2) from the top of Todorka (though unlikely to effect all of it) red 4 beside Tomba, and Tomba itself (black 9)...
Obviously because of the nature of the event, and the supporters it will attract from many countries, its going to be busy... but what a spectacle
Lets be honest, unless you are hardened to skiing red 4 into black 9 (red 4, a long straight easy red, and Tomba, a wide and relitively easy (apart from one section) black) there are better runs in resort, the black at Challin Valog is much better....
The original route for a 2nd gondola was to be Shilligarnika, this was shelved because of park restrictions, and the fact that Shilli was privately owned, it ain't now, draw your own conclusions, the 2nd choice was to follow the route of the existing gondola, not a great choice, why not just make the original bigger ??..
Any increase in ski area could incorporate the foothills of Vihren, the Cherna Molgli slopes, but also those overlooking Damienitsa on the other side... there is potential for 100km plus without the need for massive lift installations...
The FIS World Cup event (s) is a combined slalom and Giant slalom for men run over two days. This is a premier event and will attract coverage from all over the world. The likely pistes to be effected will be the righthand red (red 2) from the top of Todorka (though unlikely to effect all of it) red 4 beside Tomba, and Tomba itself (black 9)...
Obviously because of the nature of the event, and the supporters it will attract from many countries, its going to be busy... but what a spectacle
Lets be honest, unless you are hardened to skiing red 4 into black 9 (red 4, a long straight easy red, and Tomba, a wide and relitively easy (apart from one section) black) there are better runs in resort, the black at Challin Valog is much better....
The original route for a 2nd gondola was to be Shilligarnika, this was shelved because of park restrictions, and the fact that Shilli was privately owned, it ain't now, draw your own conclusions, the 2nd choice was to follow the route of the existing gondola, not a great choice, why not just make the original bigger ??..
Any increase in ski area could incorporate the foothills of Vihren, the Cherna Molgli slopes, but also those overlooking Damienitsa on the other side... there is potential for 100km plus without the need for massive lift installations...
re: Bansko Snow Cannons, Am I missing something?
Here what you're saying Steve but on the improvements bit there have been quite a few in Pamps over the last 2 years alone so it's not just FIS which brings in cash. I think the president's wife (or whatever) investing in the resort has helped
re: Bansko Snow Cannons, Am I missing something?
Steve, are you saying 100km in total or an extra 100km on top of whats already there ?Does seem to be a bit of movement re the 2nd gondola if you read the talkbansko forum, but still not holding breath.
re: Bansko Snow Cannons, Am I missing something?
It does help that Borisov's missus has dug into her handbag, but does not compare to what has been spent here in Bansko this summer alone, reported 13 million Euro (without the added cost of buying Shilligarnika)...
The Pirin range is a very steep range, and does not lend itself to a ski resort (unless you want all black runs) but what is available and accessable relitively easily without massive investment in aerial cabins linking peaks would add up to around 100 km in total.
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The Pirin range is a very steep range, and does not lend itself to a ski resort (unless you want all black runs
) but what is available and accessable relitively easily without massive investment in aerial cabins linking peaks would add up to around 100 km in total.I am ...
It does help that Borisov's missus has dug into her handbag, but does not compare to what has been spent here in Bansko this summer alone, reported 13 million Euro (without the added cost of buying Shilligarnika)...
The Pirin range is a very steep range, and does not lend itself to a ski resort (unless you want all black runs) but what is available and accessable relitively easily without massive investment in aerial cabins linking peaks would add up to around 100 km in total.
I am not saying that would be the extent of the resort, as likely more would be available, but i am looking at what could be available easily...
The Pirin range is a very steep range, and does not lend itself to a ski resort (unless you want all black runs
) but what is available and accessable relitively easily without massive investment in aerial cabins linking peaks would add up to around 100 km in total.I am not saying that would be the extent of the resort, as likely more would be available, but i am looking at what could be available easily...
