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Greed is the reason why Bulgaria is changing so much !! Discuss

skialot Author: posts : 13   (Beginner)Date : 03-27-09 13:23

re: Greed is the reason why Bulgaria is changing so much !! Discuss

saying that there is doubly pricing is just not correct. If a Bulgarian walks into a bar/restaurant in Borovets they will pay the same price as someone from UK, France, Russian etc. The price will be several times what you would pay in a local town 10km away (Samokov for example) but the price is the same for everyone. What does happen (it is the same in France, Austria, US) is that people who work in the resort get discounts that the tourists don't get. By this I don't mean Bulgarian ...
saying that there is doubly pricing is just not correct. If a Bulgarian walks into a bar/restaurant in Borovets they will pay the same price as someone from UK, France, Russian etc. The price will be several times what you would pay in a local town 10km away (Samokov for example) but the price is the same for everyone. What does happen (it is the same in France, Austria, US) is that people who work in the resort get discounts that the tourists don't get. By this I don't mean Bulgarian workers only. I know many UK people in Borovets for the season and they get substantial discounts in almost all bars and restaurants. This is the same the world over however and there is good economic reasons for it.

I will of course agree that some places will try it on with prices. For example the average price for a beer in Borovets is 2-4 leva but of course there are places that will ask 6leva. These places need to learn the hard way by loosing business. You should just walk out.

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Noel Author: posts : 13   (Beginner)Date : 03-27-09 13:50

re: Greed is the reason why Bulgaria is changing so much !! Discuss

money rules the world sometimes lack of it sometime too much of it! BG is a super place they just havn't progressed as fast as the tourists have. as already stated BG has always attracted the more social skiers with a hunger for fun many years ago it was dirt cheap but now price wise it has caught ip with the rest of europe. You get what you pay for in life! and in BG that is still the case. OK maybe the resort managers could take a trip or 2 to other european resorts and certainly there is ...
money rules the world sometimes lack of it sometime too much of it! BG is a super place they just havn't progressed as fast as the tourists have. as already stated BG has always attracted the more social skiers with a hunger for fun many years ago it was dirt cheap but now price wise it has caught ip with the rest of europe. You get what you pay for in life! and in BG that is still the case. OK maybe the resort managers could take a trip or 2 to other european resorts and certainly there is plenty of room for improvement but with improvement comes cost and once the prices rise BG will cease to be value for money.

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Whoosh Author: posts : 13   (Beginner)Date : 03-27-09 14:11

re: Greed is the reason why Bulgaria is changing so much !! Discuss

With reference to French ski resorts, OK they are more expensive than bulgaria but if you look at the mark up from raw material cost to selling price, Bulgaria is SIGNIFICANTLY higher.

For the consumer how is this point even close to being as significant as what we pay? In my experience beer is/was cheaper in Borovets than other resorts in other countries I've been to.

markm Author: posts : 13   (Beginner)Date : 03-27-09 16:20

re: Greed is the reason why Bulgaria is changing so much !! Discuss

BG = Very cheap raw product + expensive at point of sale+ poor staff wages = rip off.

FR = More expensive raw product + expensive at point of sale + more resonable wages = not as big a rip off.
Steve C Author:Steve C posts : 2898   (Master)Date : 03-27-09 18:03

re: Greed is the reason why Bulgaria is changing so much !! Discuss

Interesting....

Accept the principle, but i would not say nessesarily that the raw product in France is markably more expensive..
A bottle of Kronebourg in a bar in Val'D'Isere retails for around 5 Euro, yet in the supermarket in Bourg St Maurice in the valley a case of 12 can be bought for around 15 Euro ????
Relate that to a bottle of Pirinska in Bansko, in a bar selling for around 3 lv, a bottle in the supermarket is 75 stidinki...
Looks to be about the same Cool
Lets go one further ...
Interesting....

Accept the principle, but i would not say nessesarily that the raw product in France is markably more expensive..
A bottle of Kronebourg in a bar in Val'D'Isere retails for around 5 Euro, yet in the supermarket in Bourg St Maurice in the valley a case of 12 can be bought for around 15 Euro ????
Relate that to a bottle of Pirinska in Bansko, in a bar selling for around 3 lv, a bottle in the supermarket is 75 stidinki...
Looks to be about the same Cool
Lets go one further, a beer in a pub selling for around £2.50 - £3.00 can be bought in a supermarket for a lot less than £1.00...
Perhaps all can be considered rip offs...
Ultimately it is what you pay, and being honest i cannot buy a beer cheaper than what i can get one for here in Bansko. 1.25lv on happy hour in the `Irish Pub', that still relates to around 60p for half a litre....

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Pamporovo Villager (Used to be Forest Author: posts : 13   (Beginner)Date : 03-27-09 18:52

re: Greed is the reason why Bulgaria is changing so much !! Discuss

I still think BG resorts are good value. However if the greed continues, and yes by some it is is greed I'm afraid ,then the resorts will lose their position in the marketplace as friendly, value for money resorts.

Lets hope the changes we are seeing in Pamporovo continue, but a quicker pace.

Also if a bar / restaurant is ripping you off, avoid it and tell everyone else too as well. Or try bars like the Rossignol on the slopes in Pamps; 3 lev a beer, food good , great service and ...
I still think BG resorts are good value. However if the greed continues, and yes by some it is is greed I'm afraid ,then the resorts will lose their position in the marketplace as friendly, value for money resorts.

Lets hope the changes we are seeing in Pamporovo continue, but a quicker pace.

Also if a bar / restaurant is ripping you off, avoid it and tell everyone else too as well. Or try bars like the Rossignol on the slopes in Pamps; 3 lev a beer, food good , great service and inexpensive. Pack these place to the rafters and give places like the White Hart the volley Booze

They'll soon get the message

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Pamporovo Villager (Used to be Forest Author: posts : 13   (Beginner)Date : 03-28-09 09:28

re: Greed is the reason why Bulgaria is changing so much !! Discuss

Moderators. Is it acceptable for Micky to be insulting fellow posters? Bit beyond a point of view I'd say.
Whoosh Author: posts : 13   (Beginner)Date : 03-29-09 18:01

re: Greed is the reason why Bulgaria is changing so much !! Discuss

BG = Very cheap raw product + expensive at point of sale+ poor staff wages = rip off.

FR = More expensive raw product + expensive at point of sale + more resonable wages = not as big a rip off.


For the tourist, the consumer, the most relevant cost is what they pay out of their pocket. The profit margin or 'rip-off' is of secondary relevance compared to cost-to-punter materially.
markm Author: posts : 13   (Beginner)Date : 03-29-09 20:43

re: Greed is the reason why Bulgaria is changing so much !! Discuss

Sorry daring but I disagree

BG = As I stated above

Of if it was -

BG = Expensive raw product + high staff wages + expensive at point of sale people.
(tourist, consumer, punter) would not complain cos they knew they were not getting ripped off.
Nik b Author: posts : 13   (Beginner)Date : 03-30-09 12:52

re: Greed is the reason why Bulgaria is changing so much !! Discuss

One word - capitalism.

If people are prepared to pay the amounts set, then they're not going to reduce. Rome is very bad for overcharging tourists, it's not just confined to Bulgaria.

Do any bar/cafe owners read this forum? Would like to see their views on this subject.